Sunday, November 10, 2013

Why are there so many idols at rockin'on's Countdown Japan at the end of the year?



1: :名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/07 21:10:52
2013年12月28日(土)千葉県 幕張メッセ国際展示場1~8ホール
きゃりーぱみゅぱみゅ / 前田敦子

2013年12月29日(日)千葉県 幕張メッセ国際展示場1~8ホール / イベントホール
SCANDAL / チームしゃちほこ / 東京女子流

2013年12月30日(月)千葉県 幕張メッセ国際展示場1~8ホール / イベントホール
℃-ute / BABYMETAL

2013年12月31日(火)千葉県 幕張メッセ国際展示場1~8ホール / イベントホール
でんぱ組.inc / 中川翔子 / BiS

December 28, 2013 (Sat) Chiba prefecture - Makuhari Messe International Conference Halls 1~8
Kyary Pamyu Pamyu / Atsuko Maeda

December 29, 2013 (Sun) Chiba prefecture - Makuhari Messe International Conference Halls 1~8 / Event Hall
SCANDAL / Team Shachihoko / Tokyo Girls' Style

December 30, 2013 (Mon) Chiba prefecture - Makuhari Messe International Conference Halls 1~8 / Event Hall
℃-ute / BABYMETAL

December 31, 2013 (Tue) Chiba prefecture - Makuhari Messe International Conference Halls 1~8 / Event Hall
Denpagumi.inc / Shoko Nakagawa / BiS

(Full lineup after the jump)


http://www.pcimusic.jp/event/images/CDJ1.jpg


http://d1lrc4xac7y6pw.cloudfront.net/1314/img/0726/main2.jpg



18: :名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/07 21:21:33
DAY 1

December 28, 2013 (Sat) Chiba prefecture - Makuhari Messe International Conference Halls 1~8

Leo Ieiri / Tamio Okuda / ORANGE RANGE / Galileo Galilei / Kyary Pamyu Pamyu / Kyuuso Nekokami / 9mm Parabellum Bullet / Quruli / Nagisa Kuroki / KEMURI / Kazuyoshi Saito / SAKANAMON / Salley / Scenario art / SHAKALABBITS / [Champagne] / SEBASTIAN X / dustbox / Yu Takahashi / Tokyo Karan Koron / BUZZ THE BEARS / Passpied / PUFFY / the band apart / BIGMAMA / Fujifabric / The Flickers / BLUE ENCOUNT / HEY-SMITH / Atsuko Maeda / Large House Satisfaction

Source: http://countdownjapan.jp/1314/artist
22: :名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/07 21:22:55
DAY 2

December 29, 2013 (Sun) Chiba prefecture - Makuhari Messe International Conference Halls 1~8 / Event Hall

Aobozu / ASPARAGUS / ART-SCHOOL / avengers in sci-fi / arukara /
eastern youth / HY / STRANGE REITARO TRAVEL SWING OCHESTRA / GOOD4NOTHING / KREVA / CROSSFAITH / THE CRO-MAGNONS / Taro Kobayashi / Tetsuya Komuro / coldrain / Maaya Sakamoto / ZAZEN BOYS / The SALOVERS / Shinku Horou / Hirofumi Jin(FREE THROW) /
SCANDAL / SPECIAL OTHERS / THE CHERRY COKE$ / Team Shachihoko /
DENKI GROOVE / Tokyo Girls' Style / Yuji Nakada / NICO Touches the Walls / Northern19 / Maximum the Hormone / Magokoro Brothers / miwa / MUCC / Masayoshi Yamazaki / UL / RIP SLYME / Rihwa / locofrank

Source: http://countdownjapan.jp/1314/artist
24: :名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/07 21:24:05
DAY 3

December 30, 2013 (Mon) Chiba prefecture - Makuhari Messe International Conference Halls 1~8 / Event Hall

Akai koen / androp / Wienners / Uchu Mao / THE ORAL CIGARETTES / KANA-BOON / Kariyushi 58 / KEYTALK / ℃-ute / Good morning America / creephyp / Group Tamashii / Sakanaction / Sambomaster / Jin (Shizen no Teki P) / Shikao Suga / sukekiyo / Straightener / Czecho No Republic / The Challenge / DJ Ichiro Yatsui / 10-FEET / TOKYO SKA PARADISE ORCHESTRA / TOKYO No.1 SOUL SET / TOTALFAT /
Dragon Ash / tricot / the dresscodes / Negoto / KNOCK OUT MONKEY / HUSKING BEE / BUMP OF CHICKEN / Hitorie / BRADBERRY ORCHESTRA / FLOWER FLOWER / BABYMETAL / Takehiko Hosaka (ALL IS LOVE IS ALL) / UNISON SQUARE GARDEN / Lyu:Lyu / wasureranneyo

Source: http://countdownjapan.jp/1314/artist
25: :名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/07 21:25:33
FINAL DAY

December 31, 2013 (Tue) Chiba prefecture - Makuhari Messe International Conference Halls 1~8 / Event Hall

AA= / THE ELEPHANT KASHIMASHI / OKAMOTO'S / onso9line / Kataomoi / Minoru Katahira (Getting Better) / COMEBACK MY DAUGHTERS / group_inou / gesunokiwamiotome / kz(livetune) / sasakure.UK /
Motoharu Sano & THE COYOTE BAND / sayonara matakondone / the chef cooks me / SHISHAMO / cinema staff / THE STARBEMS / cero / Dienoji / Chara×THE NOVEMBERS / CHABO BAND  / DJ VocaNico / Denpagumi.inc / TEMPURA KIDZ / DOES / tofubeats / TRICERATOPS / 
Shoko Nakagawa / Nothing's Carved In Stone / the HIATUS / HachiojiP / back number / THE BACK HORN / Hiroyuki Hayashi (POLYSICS) / harukatomiyuki / Pierre Nakano (Ling Tosite Sigure) / HiGE / BiS / B-DASH / People In The Box / Pirokalpin / Plastic Tree / Yutaka Furukawa / plenty / Base Ball Bear / Hemenway / Hoff Dylan / POLYSICS / MY FIRST STORY / MAN WITH A MISSION / The Mirraz / MO'SOME TONEBENDER / MONOBRIGHT / MOWMOW LULU GYABAN / Kazuya Yoshii / RHYMESTER / LAST ALLIANCE / RADWIMPS / luki / ROTTENGRAFFTY / ONE OK ROCK

Source: http://countdownjapan.jp/1314/artist
2 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:12:10.39 0
 ℃-uteがいるのは気のせいか
Am I just imagining that I'm seeing ℃-ute in there?
http://kwout.com/cutout/y/rn/ie/hrw_bor.jpg

3 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:12:13.75 0
ろきのん(笑) 
ROKINON (LOL)
(Related post HERE)
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVLBdGFCcAAluUU.jpg
4 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:12:55.12 0
人が集まれば何でもいいんだろうな
前田敦子って 
So anything goes as long they can gather a crowd?
But Atsuko Maeda!?!?!
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/akb4839/imgs/5/6/5693a143.jpg
5 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:14:28.50 P
そりゃドルヲタのオッサンが1番の金づるだし 
Well, these idol-wota granddads are the number 1 source of money after all
8 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:15:02.25 0
カスチルヲタみたいに地蔵しなきゃいいよ
ももクロは出ないのか 
I'm fine as long as they don't camp out like those KasuChil wotas*.
No MomoClo?
http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~r17953/impre/Other/LIVE/ZZUDO/41.jpg
* (Related post HERE)
9 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:15:45.47 0
モノノフはやっかいだから呼ばれない 
Mononofus* are troublesome so they're not included

* (MomoClo otakus)
http://up.gc-img.net/post_img_web/2013/10/e05f722b67421c6eb18ea006165a8d21_26897.jpeg
10 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:16:15.82 0
そのうちRIJFもアイドルだらけになるだろ
アイドルステージってできるんじゃないの? 
I bet RIJF* will eventually be full of idols as well.
Maybe they're going to establish an idol stage or something?

* ROCK IN JAPAN FESTIVAL
http://blog-imgs-61-origin.fc2.com/p/e/r/perfume3a9n/RIJF2013-1.jpg
12 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:16:43.16 0
やっぱ人集めるの大変なんだろうなぁ
Must be really tough to gather a crowd
13 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:17:09.91 0
なんか今年のメンツ落ちてね? 
Don't you think the lineup this year got weaker?
15 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:18:13.05 0
初日に奥田民生とくるりとフジファブリックが出るから初日だけで良いな 
Tamio Okuda, Quruli, and Fujifabric's on the first day so the first day is enough for me
http://images.ro69.jp/images/entry/87795/500x450_504DF0453B2C.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIRMNHRE4DMAZGWWQ&Expires=2145884340&Signature=xGFo7OEnaDaDxWqAsVWi5%2FJ7xLM%3D
20 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:22:43.33 0
アイドルは多い少ないはあるにせよ集客が計算できるからな 
Regardless if there are few or there are a lot, you can count on theses idols to gather a crowd so...
23 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:23:24.72 0
集客って一組で300人ぐらいしかオタ連れてこれないだろ 
Gather a crowd? But won't a group just be able to bring about 300 otas to watch them?
29 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:26:39.56 0
女子流がこういうの出るの珍しい 
Girls' Style will perform at this one? Now that's a rarity.
http://www.billboard-japan.com/common/special/interview/120314_tgs/img/120314_tgs_top.jpg
33 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:28:28.12 0
前田敦子ってwwwwwwwwww 
Atsuko Maeda!? wwwwwwwwww
34 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:28:44.36 0
TMじゃなくて小室だけかよ 
Not TM, but Komuro only?
http://www.musicman-net.com/files/2012/08/f503c30ace80ce.jpg
37 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:29:24.08 0
想像したより多くて笑った
マジでRIJFもこんな風になるんじゃね 
LOL, that's more than what I imagined.
Won't this eventually be RIJF's fate as well?
40 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:30:57.48 0
ROCK in JAPANじゃなくてIDOL in JAPANに改名すべき 
They should rename it from ROCK in JAPAN to IDOL in JAPAN
45 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:34:02.10 0
電気グルーヴはアイドルに入りますか
Can Denki Groove be considered as idols?
http://images.ro69.jp/images/entry/97331/date_20130222172109_500x450_5127239802BC.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIRMNHRE4DMAZGWWQ&Expires=2145884340&Signature=J9IGHtGwC0bjT%2FXOrYZSufZr4ls%3D
52 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:38:10.38 0
グループ魂もアイドルです 
Group Tamashii are idols too
http://cdn2.natalie.mu/images/music/ja/sp-grouptamashii/header-photo.jpg
53 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:39:30.10 0
ロックフェスになぜラベンダーが呼ばれない 
Why aren't they inviting LoVendoЯ to these rock festivals?
http://s.okmusic.jp/news_images/images/38478/extention.jpg?1365256742
55 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:40:28.00 0
近い将来ロキノン主催のアイドルフェスあるで 
We're gonna see an idol festival hosted by ROCKIN'ON in the near future, yo!
59 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:42:54.62 0
ジャニーズは呼べなかったのか

TOKIOくらいならでてくれるだろ 
No Johnny's included huh.
TOKIO would probably play in something like this.
http://pic.prepics-cdn.com/tokiongr/17986416.jpeg
62 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:43:45.87 0
単独で集客できないゴミが大半だな 
Majority of these are trash artists who can't even gather a crowd by themselves
66 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:48:34.16 0
>>62
ほとんど武道館クラスなら簡単に満員にできるんじゃね 
I think almost all of these can easily fill a venue like the Budokan
75 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 21:58:47.73 0
今年の年またぎ候補

◎エレファントカシマシ
○RADWIMPS
▲吉井和哉
△ONE OK ROCK
×POLYSICS 

Candidates to perform while we go into the new year

ELEPHANT KASHIMASHI - Most likely
RADWIMPS - likely
Kazuya Yoshii - probably not
ONE OK ROCK - maybe
POLYSICS - NO
76 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:01:09.38 0
エレカシだとがっかり
RADじゃねえかな 
It'll be a drag if it's ELEKASHI.
Maybe it'll be RAD.
http://files.hangame.co.jp/blog/2009/62/bc327c2d/10/03/24954661/bc327c2d_1254579277197.jpg
77 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:01:49.10 0
森進一の息子の出世スピードが半端ないな
ハマタの息子のバンドはボーカルが残念だ 
The speed of how Shinichi Mori's son's band has progressed is amazing.
The vocalist in Hamata's son's band is kinda disappointing.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5hoj6BtLx1rt3whjo1_1280.jpg
80 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:04:36.94 0
CDJなんて今からチケット取れんの? 
Can you still get tickets for CDJ now?
82 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:07:38.15 0
>>80
ネット5次先行がこの前終わったな
一般販売でチケットも買えるだろうが毎年大変だと思う 
The 5th advance sales online just ended a while go.
I think they'll still sell some for the general public but it's pretty tough every year.
85 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:11:05.57 0
28日にくるり、29日にマキシマムザホルモン、30日にバンプオブチキンが決まったので
チケット争奪戦が始まります 
So we've got Quruli on the 28th, Maximum the Hormone on the 29th, and BUMP on the 30th, 
which means the battle for tickets is about to commence
http://sp.ro69.jp/img/sp_common/spacer.gif
86 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:13:37.81 0
たった1日10曲程度の見るために9000円払うアイドルファン足元見られすぎ 
These idol fans who'd have to pay \9,000 just to watch the group perform around 10 songs in 1 day are soooo being taken advantage of
89 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:34:23.53 0
>>86
ロックフェス出てももクロオタが勝った勝った言いだしてからかな 
Maybe it started when those MomoClo-otas started declaring that they won when MomoClo got to join a rock festival
92 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:39:59.72 0
>>89
そんなの無視すれば良いじゃん
それともロック界に認められたいのw 
Why not just ignore that.
Or do they want to be approved by the rock world as well?
88 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:26:19.82 0
マキシマムザホルモン見て死にそうになったのでもう行かない 
I almost died when I went to see Maximum the Hormone before so I won't go anymore
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/TdwT5JlH8gM/maxresdefault.jpg
95 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:42:37.01 0
℃の出る日にはサカナクションとバンプも出るから余裕で元取れるでしょ 
But Sakanaction and Bump are on the same day as ℃ so that's easily money back for the fans
http://blog-imgs-54.fc2.com/b/u/m/bumpoflivedvd/20121225130143e4f.jpg
100 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:48:14.76 0
アイドルヲタが他のバンド観るのか?
Do idol wotas also watch the other bands?
101 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:49:13.12 0
アイドルヲタが1000人来るだけで1000万円だからな
1,000 idol wotas attending means \10 million
102 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:50:28.69 0
ベビメタに惨敗するのを見るために9000円払うのか 
These wotas are going to pay \9,000 just to see their idols get annihilated by heavy metal, huh
107 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 22:55:14.11 0
ベビメタと℃との盛り上がりの違いにショック受けないでね 
Don't get shocked by the difference between how the audience receives heavy metal and ℃, ok?
http://ccc-cc.cc/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/130910cute03.jpg
113 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 23:06:50.72 O
前田って女優じゃねーのかよ 
Isn't Maeda an actress?
127 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/07(木) 23:45:01.16 0
パフュ出てないと思ったらクリスマスにドームやんのか
しかしロキノンがアイドル本格的に呼び始めるとはいよいよ八方塞がりだな 
I was wondering why there's no Perfume, so they're going to perform at the Dome on Christmas, huh?
But seeing how rockin'on seems to be seriously relying on idols probably means that the industry's in a fix already.
http://blog-imgs-60-origin.fc2.com/p/e/r/perfume2480/20130625top.jpg
131 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 00:05:05.88 0
邦楽ロック業界冷えまくってんな
ドルヲタあてにしないと成り立たなくなってんのか 
So the Japanese rock industry is in its ice ages, that it can't even hold an event without relying on the idol wotas.
134 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 00:12:04.74 0
サカナもワンオクもアリーナやってるし
時雨でさえ武道館やってるし動員は熱いんじゃね 
Sakana and ONE OK are doing arenas, while even Sigure plays at the Budokan, so don't you think there will be a lot of people watching?
135 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 00:12:33.45 0
CD売り上げと比べてライブ動員はマシじゃないの 
I think the concert attendance is much more decent than the CD sales
144 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 00:26:01.74 0
音楽ライターの私見だとロッキンは今は動員は全く問題ないが
将来を見越してドルヲタを取り込もうとしてるんじゃないかという事らしい
ただフジロックだけはアイドルと無縁な姿勢を貫くだろうけど 
Based on the opinion of musical writers, Rockin'on in itself isn't troubled with the attendance, but they're trying to attract the idol crowd "for the sake of the future". But Fuji Rock will apparently stay true to its stance that they won't be relying on idols.
160 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 01:22:37.58 0
ロキノンは雑誌が全然売れなくなった
その分フェス商売で稼いでる
ロックw
Rockin'on's magazines haven't been selling at all.
In place of that, they're earning a lot from these festivals.
Rock w
173 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 02:31:42.02 0
アイドルも好きだけどロックフェスは純粋なロックバンドだけ出て欲しいわ
Perfumeが出てきた辺りからおかしくなった 
I like idols too, but I only want pure rock bands to perform in these rock festivals.
Things just went crazy when Perfume performed.
186 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 03:13:45.36 0
サカナクション、横山健、細身あたりの力あるやつらが集まって
ミュージシャン主導型のフェス立ち上げればいいのにな 
I hope the influential figures like Sakanaction, Ken Yokoyama, and Hosomi join forces and start a festival that's mainly for musicians
http://cdn2.natalie.mu/media/1211/1107/therockstories/extra/news_large_Ken_Yokoyama.jpg
191 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 03:18:33.11 0
横山さんはサカナクションは90年代だったら100枚セールス行ってたバンドと語っていた 
Yokoyama-san said that Sakanaction would have sold over 1 million copies in the '90s
(Related post HERE)
202 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 04:36:09.87 O
でんぱとしゃちとスキャンダルは動員力そこそこあるし
脱子ときゃりーは単独の動員はともかくついでに見たいって人は多いだろ 
I think Denpa, Shachi, and Scandal can attract a modest amount of fans.
Datsuko and Kyary, yeah of course, and there will also be a lot of people who would think of watching them since they're there already.
203 :名無し募集中。。。:2013/11/08(金) 04:37:44.02 0
一つはメディア戦略だと思う
ロキノン系バンドだけだと取材は来ないけどアイドルが出ればスポーツ新聞もアイドル系雑誌も来る
そして今の時代そっちの方が宣伝効果が高い 
I think this is one sort of media strategy.
If it only consists of Rokinon bands then no one would cover the event. But if there are idols, then the sports papers and idol magazines will come. And in these ages, that's the better way of promoting yourself.





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